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francis in america will be led tomorrow by brian williams beginning tomorrow at 3:00 p.m. eastern. chris hayes is up next. i hope we can have a responsible i hope we can have a responsible discussion and the he dropped out of the race all together. this is the candidate who mocked donald trump as someone unprepared to be president. to use his word, an apprentice. now walker walked off the field as texas governor rick perry did and other candidates might as well begin their current level of support nationwide which is zero.
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what's it take to be a champion in the republican battle? do you have to play dumb on whether he is a muslim? do you have to issue personal manifestos like you don't want a muslim to be president even if there is no one running. is that what it takes to stir the souls of today's republicans? scott walker's campaign imploded once trump hit the scene. he was the front-runner this spring. he held a big lead in iowa as late as this july. just in the last hour, walker announced he is dropping out of the race. he wants others to follow his lead and get out, as well. let's watch him. >> i will suspend my campaign immediately. i encourage other republican presidential candidates to consider doing the same so that the voters can focus on a limited number of candidates who can offer a positive conservative alternative to the current front-runner.
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this is fundamentally important to the future of the party, and more importantly to the future of our country. >> kelly o'donnell covered the walker campaign since the beginning. she is with us now from capitol hill. what happened? why now? why good-bye? >> he did have a meeting with senior outside advisors. they looked at the hard reality. what path would scott walker have to the nomination? it appeared the only path they saw fit was all iowa. also i'm told by various sources in the republican party he was simply out of money. lacking support and cash, he decided within the last 24 hours to end it. if you step back and you look at the highs and lows of this campaign, staging and stage craft tells us a great deal. when he got into this race, he had a spectacular theater in the round, very expensive rollout. today, there he was with a flag behind him, a blank wall and for a man who usually gives his
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speeches with his jacket off and sleeves rolled up having memorized his remarks, today he had the sobering sort of appearance of the jacket on, glancing at his notes. a very stark image difference. when you look at what happened to his campaign, he was born in iowa, spent the first several years of his life there. had great support largely because of neighboring state sort of credentials because wisconsin, certainly people in iowa had a better idea of who he was outside of washington, d.c., really credible with christian conservatives. that's how the story of scott walker as a national candidate began. here is a man who went three campaigns in four years winning again and again and again. yet when it came time to be the national candidate performer, he hit several bumps, unable to answer questions clearly. seeming muddled in his responses and the air simply came out of the balloon. even before trump ascended. when trump entered the stage and took over, clearly scott walker saw his fate change and he is
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the first casualty. rick perry had already been sort of a troubled candidate. for scott walker, this is a stark and startling day. i say candidates have their best moment when they announce. today was a tough moment for scott walker. >> well said and well reported, kelly o'donnell up on the hill. >> thank you, gentlemen. this is a stunning bit of news. robert costa, was there any other story we are missing? was it just exhaustion and failure? >> i just got off the phone with gary marks, walker's senior advisor. the money dried up. there was a lot of money in the super pac, not enough hard dollars for the campaign. walker had a big network of advisors and staffers in iowa and new hampshire. the money wasn't there. donors weren't ready to pony up. voters weren't taking the bait on this idea of a persona, a profile the governor with results, a conservative governor.
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it showed with perry, now with walker. i talked with trump himself. did he a 30-minute call with the "the washington post" this evening. he said he's changed the race, people haven't adjusted. he offered encouragement to walker. this is a different race and some people can't handle it. >> this might have been trump stumbling into the truth there. by the noise level he created, a guy like that who had all the tickets, from neighboring iowa -- i mean, neighboring wisconsin. a politically successful governor. he had religious aspect to him. evangelical background. he fit everything. we thought they were looking for post-obama. >> he took every box. he was a terrible candidate. he was not good at running for president. >> there's that. >> why didn't it work in wisconsin? >> you know, some things are
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better this big than they are this big. >> used to be a great primary state. you could test yourself in. >> maybe it isn't any more. >> while you are on the heater here, not that i can put you on the heater. was trump the thing that went into the water like the displacement where all the bath tub flew out? >> sure. you've only got 100% to work. with if trump is occupying 30% or something like that, that leaves less for everybody else. where was walker? >> as long as trump can get 25% to 30%, he changes the whole nature. >> it's also the nature of the displacement. walker was kind of a candidate for angry conservatives who thought that the unions had too much control, they wanted to see fighting and they had some anger expressed. walker was their guy until trump
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came in and did it 1,000 times bigger. who should be scared of all this now is jeb bush. resumes, big governor, practical experience. nobody in the republican party wants that dog food. >> here is what they seem to want. anger like you can't even express in a legitimate way. stuff so beyond pc. look at this here is where the party wants to be. the last 36 hours has been a sight to behold. here is donald trump, the guy walker wanted to stop on nbc's "meet the press" suggesting president obama is some secret muslim. >> can you imagine supporting or being comfortable if a muslim ever became president of the united states? >> i can say at some point some people could say could happen. some people said it did happen. you wouldn't agree with that. >> that is so trumpy. some people would say we already
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had a muslim president, i.e. president obama. then he takes a shot at the media chuck is a right down the middle straight kind of analyze this race and report on it. he takes a shot at him. because chuck being a man of substance and fact would not believe that barack obama was something of muslim, he was a muslim. because he wouldn't believe he is a muslim, he is challenging the moderator of "meet the press." it's a donald trump. it's ridiculous. actually way says, not his aspect or fun factor, actually what he says is ridiculous. your thoughts. >> this is a fundamental divide in the republican party. when i got off the phone with trump, he says he's not changing his tactics. he is not going to be politically correct. >> what does that mean? you don't have to translate that. politically correct means i'm going to continue to say the president is an illegal immigrant who snuck into the country on false identity, some criminal of i.d. theft.
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besides that a muslim. >> i think you could cast a widerness. trump will say everything the party officials and party elites don't want to have in the national conversation. i kept saying are you going to change your tactics through the fall and listen more to the party? he said no nothing's changing. he feels comfortable in his position. >> watch this. >> why can't you just say definitively yes or no president obama -- you raised it many times, and he is not a muslim. >> you raised the question. i don't talk about it. i don't like talking about somebody else's faith. he talks about his faith and he can do that. i don't talk about other people's faith. >> he just ignored the question from stephanopoulos. >> he doesn't have to say it. he just has to say i'm not going to answer the question.
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i don't want to talk about it. it's all quite clear. more than half of republicans believe the president's a muslim. >> the party brought this on itself. if you have an irrational hatred of president obama and you are a muslim phobo, the republican party is a home for you. >> he took a swipe at john mccain after someone called the president an arab. >> did you know they wanted me to speak up in favor of the president?
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do you think he's going to speak up in favor of me? why do i think he's not? you remember the famous think where john mccain ripped that microphone out of the woman's hands. i don't know. i thought it was a little bit harsh, to be honest with you. >> okay. anybody that buys this malarkey deserves what they get. he took on cnn jay tapper who challenged trump to stand up to bigots in the campaign trail like the one trump encountered last week. >> this man said, "we have a problem in this country called muslims." this is raw, unvarnished ignorant bigotry. you are a leader. do you not have the responsibility to all out this hatred? >> we could be politically correct if you want, are you trying to say we don't have a problem? >> what's the problem? >> you have radicals that are doing things. it wasn't people from sweden that blew up the world trade center. >> okay. when he talks to you on the funny, does he talk to you like that?
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>> he talks exactly like that. >> muslim people are terrorists and that's why they are here? >> he does. >> they were not residents of america, not illegal immigrants. they came here to blow up the world trade center. let's get that straight. >> so i talked to walker's people all afternoon. they said their big take away as they leave this campaign is this trump thing is not going away. even if he implodes, it remains as part of the party. carson could go to someone else. for the party establishment to think this thing will just fade, this phenomena, this feeling within the party is a fallacy. >> they fueled this irrational obama hatred for eight years. now their base expects them to deliver. >> dr. ben carson told nbc's "meet the press" a muslim should not be president. >> should a president's faith matter? should your faith matter to voters? >> i guess it depends on what that faith is. if it's inconsistent with the
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values and principles of america, then of course it should matter. if it myths within the realm of america and consistent with the constitution, no problem. >> do you believe that islam is consistent with the constitution? >> no, i do not. i would not advocate that we put a muslim in charge of this nation. i absolutely would not agree with that. >> dr. carson doubled down those comments on an interview with "the hill" newspaper. whoever takes the white house should be sworn in on a stock of bibles, not a koran. muslims feel that their religion is very much a part of their public life and what you do as a public official, and that's inconsistent with our principles and our constitution." carson also suggested muslims cannot be trusted. he told "the hill" there is a component of shiia that encourages you to lie to achieve your goals.
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a religious test. one thing from the beginning of the constitution as originally written avoid this stupid conversation. >> the irony is fairly rich because here is a man who is establishing a religious test for office. in fact, it's saying his religion is terribly important for holding office. then i guess extending that to muslims. he is saying he would be guided by his faith. >> what david said a minute ago, is this the end of a chance for a regular credentialed republican to win the nomination? is there so much vote in the polling so overly lopsided -- if you add up all the votes for what's left for christie, for kasich of ohio, you have 20%. >> don't forget rubio. >> is the thing so stacked now in the direction of the hawks -- >> right wingers. >> it looks like it. you have to account for the
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possibility that there's like a hardcore on the outside and there might be a softer core that could be persuadable. maybe it's not more than 50% for the whole election cycle. >> that it's battle. >> let me get to robert. you don't want to predict because you cover it every day. i do not see how jeb bush could win the nomination. >> not just in terms could bush win the nomination. every donor says it's a real battle between bush, rubio, kasich, who is going to be that establishment person who can take on trump and carson, maybe fiorina, maybe they don't have to. they need to have that mini race to get someone to counter the trump phenomenon. >> right now it's granulated. >> it's spread out. jeb bush had a shot at the beginning of being the establishment front-runner. he had all the money. he doesn't perform well. he doesn't convey well. you're left with john kasich who
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is trying to campaign as the moderate though he governed as a conservative. he's not a disciplined guy. i've been on tv with him. i like him a lot. he's very open-minded when you debate him, but i don't think he has the fierceness. rubio is the interesting thing here. he's playing rope-a-dope backing off, not engaging in any side fights. i think he wants to be the last establishment-friendly republican standing. they say you've got to go with this guy. >> i don't like that. this is a hawk. i do see it coming. >> jeb bush has a tough road to the nomination. >> and a million dollars. >> the end doesn't justify the means. americans believe any means is justified to get to where they want to blow up this country's political system right now. it started with something new. they are willing to use a guy who is using deceit and dishonesty.
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that is the sad tragedy unfolding. people will vote and encourage the nomination of someone saying things that are knowably not true. the end does not justify the means, never will. there are new signs vice president joe biden may be getting into the presidential race. his wife is said to be onboard now. i thinks he wants to get ready for this he is in the on-deck circle. jeb bush got big applause in last week's debate saying this is brother "w" kept us safe. he must have forgotten 9/11, the war on iraq, the financial crisis. that was too big a claim. on the eve of pope francis' first visit to the united states, both sides of this country left and right looking to his holiness to bolster their own political positions. what else is new? >> let me finish with my few words from my aunt eleanor.
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carly fiorina was the clear winner of last week's debate. trump holds a commanding lead in the race at 29% which is up seven points since august. carson has 14% which is up four points since august. fiorina is in third with 11% up three points since august.
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give us three words that is the real hillary clinton. just three. >> just three? i can't possibly do that. i mean, look, i am a real person with all the pluses and minuses that go along with being that. i've been in the public eye for so long that i think -- it's
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like the feature you see in some magazine some time. real people actually go shopping, you know? >> welcome back to "hardball." there are a couple of polls that give different impressions how well hillary clinton is doing among democrats. first there is the cnn/orc poll. earlier this month she led bernie sanders by 10 points. the latest numbers expanded that lead to 18. joe biden at 22 points. another one, the numbers move in a different direction. nbc/survey monkey poll. it's that third place finish everyone has their eyes on right now. joe biden has not said whether he will get into the race. according to the "wall street journal" this weekend, they say he is getting close to yes. his aides called democratic donors and supporters to suggest he is more likely than not to enter the 2016 race. significant sources tell nbc
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news jill biden, his wife, is fully behind him if he decides to go. the potential candidate is sending conflicted. an interview conducted with the catholic newspaper american media last friday, but released today biden said it was a family decision to be made. >> we just not, you know, it's not quite there yet and may not get there in time to make it feasible to be able to run and succeed because there are certain windows that will close. if that's it, that's it. it's not like i can rush it. it's not like it either happens or it don't happen. i know that's not satisfying to anybody. but people who have been there, i know they understand. >> president and editor in chief of american media. he conducted the interview with vice president biden.
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april interviewed hillary clinton friday. we have fresh meat, as we say in this business. fresh information. father matt, thank you for joining us. >> of course. >> it's not your role in life to determine -- >> not even close. >> your job is not to read the tea leaves, but read them. ha! >> i met a man friday who doesn't know whether he will run either. i know that. this is not about optics. it's not about positioning. he really is struggling here. he's been through a deeply traumatizing human experience. he's confronted with this enormous decision in the wake of it. there was a shift in how he talked about his grief. he's spoken about this once before with stephen colbert on "the late show." he focused on the grief in the sense of loss he suffered with the sense of his son bo biden.
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in this interview he said he has turned a corner and is focused more on memorializing bo's life and trying to translate the principles for which bo stood into his own actions. that's a process of grieving that any human being has to go through. i also think it's a process he has to go through in order to get to a final decision on this question. >> if you say there is a conflict and is there a force here, a life-long ambition to be idenpresof the united states. this guy was elected to the u.s. senate at the age of 29. he never lost an election for re-election as senator. got elected to the vice presidency. he clearly sees himself, i can read this much, as the person who would be a great president. i believe he believes a better president than hillary clinton. that's why this is a conflict, right? that's up against the grief. both are in his heart, right? >> that's true. >> you don't detect the other ambitious part there. >> oh, no. he's a politician so one detects that.
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he's run for president on two different occasions. it's been a long-standing ambition of his. that's in direct conflict with what he's experienced in the wake of his family tragedy. i also think that he doesn't want to be seen in any way to be benefitting from this tragedy with all this attention. >> i understand that. hold on, father. hillary clinton is trying to get through some kind, secretary clinton, through transformations in political personality are hard to come by. she is obviously a very -- what's the right word? i'm trying to get a word that doesn't offend anybody. she is careful what she says about herself. that is a fair way to put it. she is not happy when people try to pry into who that person is. she would rather talk objectively about policies, i think. she is trying to open up doing the entertainment shows. i don't think it's going to work.
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did she open up with you? >> i've known her 20 years. >> who is she? >> she is a very interesting person. she is -- she is someone with a pedigree no one else has. she's a very serious person, but she also is a person -- i've laughed with her on many occasions. even saturday night i was able to joke. >> what is the difference with her sitting with you chuckling away sister to sister and what you she on tv? is there a difference in personality or not? >> yeah. we have more of a familiarity with each other over the decades. >> if there was a secret camera in the room what would we see from hillary? >> you would see a very easy-going woman who would laugh. a woman who is a woman. would you see a lot of that, i guess like you said, sister to sister come through. for instance, i was stuck at the congressional black caucus dinner with my cousin. he is former candidate ed towns.
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we were standing there and she came in. we were standing next to each other. i said this is my cousin. she said really, your cousin? she wanted to find out what was going on with us. we also took a selfie. this is who hillary clinton is. she has to be careful. she was the woman of diplomacy in the obama administration. she was a senator. you have to see her in a serious light, as well. there is a fine line for women formality and professionalism. you have young women may have a couple of degrees and have to be more formal than young men. >> it is a high standard for women. >> father matt, do you think he is running? >> i honestly don't know. i honestly don't know. i think he is closer to than he was before. >> pretty good track there. i like this guy. thank you, father. he's right there on the edge.
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>> i'm not getting any information from upstairs, just saying that. >> i think he is in the on-deck circle and will stay there as long as he can. i like your input. >> thank you. >> no. i think we all learn things as journalists. we are lucky to get inside and ought to share that. in my leg that went wild there for obama. you have to explain those things. you get the full report. up next, a new book argues if fdr didn't do enough to stop the holocaust. it's a tough indictment. it's a fascinating book and beautifully written. that's ahead. this is "hardball" the place for politics.
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welcome back to "hardball." a new book, "1944, fdr and the year that changed history." jay winik tells the year of the most pivotal role in world war ii.
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president franklin d. roosevelt worked to secure germany's unconditional surrender. it was his perseverance that would bring that to its end. million was perish as the tide turned against the axis of powers. the extermination of camps. winik tells the terrifying detail. joined right now by "new york times" best-selling author jay winik. you're a beautiful writer. i don't sit around underlying, i went through it. it grabs you with the war, roosevelt, the great man of the 20th century and the heart.
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i want you to tell people, to think about this, how frighteningly diabolic the nazis were that they convinced highly smart people they were going to do work. they are not going to get killed, but they are going to come home. talk about how they tricked those people getting on those trains and going day to day down the path the ss wanted them to take to their deaths. >> the final solution was enshrouded in secrecy. they rounded up the jews, 750,000 of them. that's as if you took the entire population of boston at the time and in effect they would be herded from boston to washington and led to their executions. the nazis, as you say, didn't let on to it. they did it on a veil of secrecy. they were put in trains. they were told you are going to be resettled to a work camp. ultimately the end of their
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four-day voyage, there would be great plumes of flames that would go up to the sky. when they landed they were exhausted and tired. the germans are saying, out, out, out. but they didn't let on they were going to the gas chambers. they said you are going to take a shower. you are going to be disinfected. they took off their clothes. they were handed bars of soap. they put their clothes what they did have on hooks and said remember the hooks afterwards. >> the number for your clothes. >> remember the number on the hook for your clothes. one mother once said, i want to be with my husband. they said, together afterwards. a little boy said, i want to be with my mother, together afterwards. they were herded down this cold and forbidding chamber. the lights would flick on and flick off. >> they tortured them for hours just for sadism. >> purely sadism. it was terrible. >> tell about the time the
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german red cross was coming to examine the camp to investigate the camp. they picked 7,000 hungarian jews anded this them okay to keep them alive for the inspection, the next day killed them all. >> the 7,000 were there as a fake village where they were treated well. they had good food. even the ss would come in and play with the little children. >> let me ask you the tough question. you said fdr had the opportunity to do something at auschwitz. if he ordered the bombing, wouldn't he have killed a lot of people there and maybe not touched the gas chambers? they were there in barracks. wouldn't he have just added to the killing? that wouldn't have been the intention. >> it's a tough call whether to bomb or not bomb. i think what's safe to say, and if we look at two other things that happened, one the raf shortly before the calls to bomb auschwitz came up, they carried
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out a bold strike which they bombed a prison and they freed several hundred raf fighters. >> where did they go? >> a number of them were killed in the strike. a number of them flew off into the woods and went to freedom. i think it was a symbolism of that that was so galvanizing. >> everyone needs to read this book. i think fdr is one of the greatest presidents we ever had. >> i couldn't agree more. he was a great leader. >> i think he was pro-jewish. >> absolutely. >> anyway. if that's the right word. thank you. you're a great writer. another great book by jay winik. i'm about 180 from the end. you'll love reading it. it's not one of these thoms once you put it down you can't pick it up. it's easy to read. thank you, jay winik. jeb bush said his brother kept us safe.
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isn't he forgetting 9/11 and the unnecessary war with iraq?
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>> as it relates to my brother, there is one thing i know for sure, he kept us safe. >> welcome back to "hardball." jeb bush defended his brother's record. he managed to reignite the debate over george w. bush's legacy.
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here is a new tv ad that drives home its point with devastating efficiency. >> you know what? as it relation to my brother, there is one thing i know for sure. he kept us safe. >> 2 million jobs gone in the past year. >> talking about this tremendous toll and human cost the storm has taken. >> the number no one wanted to reach in iraq, 4,000 americans dead. >> we are seen now as nothing less than the worst nightmare that one could imagine. >> he kept us safe. >> well, the group behind that ad, americans united for change was founded in 2005 and while it's not affiliated with any campaign, its president heads up the pro-clinton super pac. in a tweet yesterday, jeb bush slammed the ad and singled out the democratic front-runner by name, hillary clinton, your political machine's 9/11 ad is disgraceful. as a new yorker, you know the leadership my brother provided
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after 9/11. i'm joined by the round table. start with you right across. i think jeb bush stepped in it. that was too much of a blanket defense and made the campaign about his brother and 9/11. >> in an effort to start the general election campaign right now with hillary clinton, forget that trump stuff going on. it's me against hillary. in an effort to do that, he really overstated it and really stepped in it. >> blaming this on hillary. >> it is hillary's crowd. >> of course it's hillary land. somewhere in hillary land, okay? in doing so, he made this blanket statement getting him exactly where he doesn't want to go as an establishment insider. which is defending the record of the past of his own brother. >> i has to defend the crash. has to defend 9/11, the extremely unpopular iraq war all
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because he said he kept us safe, to that crowd out, unrepresentative crowd at the reagan library. >> slightly. he stepped in it once at the debate and decided to step in it again with this tweet. howard was exactly right. almost understated it. it's like hi, i'm jeb, i'm running for a third bush term. not a good plan. >> what is the army behind it ready to take orders? there is no army of the establishment. there is no army of the status quo. they're a target. >> you know what? when it comes to his family, he gets reflexively defensive of them. that is a nice thing for a family, but bad thing for a politician in his position. >> remember where this lie came from, toward the end of "w"'s administration. they were doing story about what is his legacy and trying to think of something positive to say. economy? we can't say that. shrunk government. can't say that. kept us safe. except for that one night.
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secret service kept lincoln safe except that one night. cheney and these people said, he kept us safe, he kept us safe. it became gospel on the right, but nobody else believes it. >> as you were saying, it's the nonestablishment out of the box candidates crushing the establishment types. jeb ran further into the establishment with this. >> back into the bunker. >> it is so -- we are looking at polls now. i can't see them right now. >> what i make of this chart here is you've i got donald trump, carly fiorina and western carson, the three total outsiders dominating the race. marco rubio, a desperate fourth because he is sort of a new face. he hasn't been in it that long. then you have jeb bringing up the rear, hoping to be the top guy in the establishment which is sort of like being the top
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team in the third level of the british soccer league. >> i'm sorry. i see this race going to marco rubio, it terrifies me. he's the biggest hawk running. he is a beautiful speaker, a very attractive young candidate who knows how to spell bind. he is the young new breath. he's obama. >> terrifies you compares to what? compared to trump? >> the fact they are going hawkish beyond hawkish. >> if somebody showed that chart five months ago, no one would have believed it. >> bush still has a decent chance to be up there. >> tell me that. >> because if trump holds, there is going to be, trump is going to do okay. >> trump has to win and beat everybody else on the hard right so these unacceptable is a nominee. >> might come down to trump versus some non-trump. >> if bush is the nominee there
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will be a third nominee. >> bush had to win a play-in gay among the establishment. >> maybe hillary is better off being tongue-tied. wait this out. you don't want to get in the way of this noise. >> bush has 9% but a ton of money, don't forget that. >> the dog doesn't like the dog food. the round table is staying with us. up next, pope francis is coming to america. there is a political debate waiting when he arrives. he will speak to the u.s. congress. why pause to take a pill when a moment spontaneously turns romantic? and why stop what you're doing to find a bathroom? with cialis for daily use, you don't have to plan around either. it's the only daily tablet approved to treat erectile dysfunction so you can be ready anytime the moment is right. plus cialis treats the frustrating urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions
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wait. uh-oh. let's take a look at this it's from today's crossword puzzle in "the new york times." 61 across, the clue is hardball, airer. five letters. msnbc the place for politics. that's not a tricky question.
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we're back with the "hardball" round table. howard, ruth, and michael. president obama will welcome pope francis to the united states tomorrow. the pope has shown himself to be passionate about tending to the poor. in one of his first important writings as pope he called out the world's "new idolatry of money" and added that we can no longer trust in the unseen forces and the invisible hand of the market to take care of the neediest. i do think he looks upon us as a capitalist country pure and simple and i do think he's going to learn it's more complicated than that. we do have a decent safety net, social security, medicare. we have antitrust. it's not just wild cowboy capitalism. but i think that's the picture you get from argentina. >> that's certainly what you get from argentina, and in addition to being pope he's pure argentine. but i think he makes a good point. i think any great nation, certainly one with the ambition of ours, needs to balance the market and faith and the family.
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what he's calling for here is balance. and i think most of the american public if you look at the polls as they head into this presidential election do think something's out of whack. >> but which way do they want to balance it? less government or more government? >> i think that's the argument in the election itself but i think faith is an important part of it. and by the way, for the democrats at their peril they ignore that part of the balance. >> i think they do. >> at their peril they ignore that part of the balance. they're the ones that need to be standing close to the pope tomorrow. >> by the way, the more you fight the abortion issue the more you make it about abortion, the less about the rights to make that decision, the more the conservatives win. >> the pope i confidently predict, being a papal expert -- >> well, you probably are. >> -- is going to say some things that the left will cheer and some things -- >> how do you know? he's going to balance that too. >> can i give you my papal fantasy? my papal fantasy is that he would stand up and say something about the legitimacy of all the world's religions and say
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something that we would understand to be directed to ben carson about islam and presidents. i know it's not going to -- >> and/or donald trump. >> and/or donald trump. >> abrahamic religions like our three. islam, christianity, judaism. all come from abraham. >> he'll probably do that. he has been much more pro liberal than he has been pro conservative if you want to just put it down on paper because he's been very surprising. he's held the line on those certain questions relating to abortion and so forth. but he has put inequality, climate change much more -- >> you mean this becomes a ball of fire, that would become a life issue. >> yeah, i think so. but he's put that much more at the center. >> oddly enough, bernie sanders gave that speech at liberty university. >> thank you, howard. thank you, ruth. i hope it's a good visit by the pope. when we return let me finish with a few words about how much another religion person, aunt eleanor who just died at 92 and spent her whole life starting in
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let me finish tonight with this. my aunt eleanor just died at 92 and i'll be giving the eulogy tomorrow afternoon. that's her on the right there with my aunt agnes. she began teaching in the 1940s and spent much of her life teaching children with special education needs.
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she was incredibly patient as a teacher and enjoyed the children for their small achievements because she knew the pleasure they took in them. i don't think i've ever met anyone so completely at home in who she was, how she chose to spend her life, how she had committed her life right the way through and never looked back. it couldn't be better. that's what my aunt said when someone asked her how things were going. she had very -- she had so many nephews, nieces, great nieces and nephews, great grand nieces and nephews that it was hard to get the list together, but every one of us never missed getting a card for our birthday, christmas and easter, not one of us didn't feel her attention, her love, her prayers. she always showed up. she always cared and never judged. she was unaffected by this stuff that drove other people's lives. she knew what mattered, what was permanent. when i got my job at the white house, for example, and was so proud to tell her, she had one question. is that a permanent job? well, of course it wasn't. maybe that was the young girl speaking who had grown up in the great depression talking. maybe it was someone who just didn't think such things were all that important. as one who in the family was
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having a baby, who was sick, who needed help. that was what was important to her. sister eleanor agnes shields of the sisters of st. joseph. and tomorrow we celebrate her life with the sisters who shared her life and purpose, with her family she never left. tonight on "all in" -- >> i will suspend my campaign immediately. >> from the summer of trump to the fall of walker. >> i encourage other republican presidential candidates to consider doing the same. >> scott walker becomes the second major republican candidate to drop out of the race. tonight, what happened and who's next? then, ben carson is not backing down. >> i would not advocate that we put a muslim in charge of this nation. >> the ongoing fallout from the politics of paranoia. >> it's not my obligation to defend the president. >> plus, getting to the bottom of carly fiorina's factually challenged surge.

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